Episode 9 - Fight report

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T'was a 'brother versus brother' between the senior, Yoddy against the junior, Naruepol. Was as if both were reluctant to go all out, but it was Yods that took it to Naruepol in a furry finish.

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Hope to see Naruepol get a rematch; A fight against Rafik would be great

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Nah, Rafik's gonna fight Dzhabar.

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Sam wouldnt that be a spoiler??? if it was to happen???

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I kinda feel bad for Naruepol. It looked like he was really reluctant to fight. Still, he's young and he'll learn how to deal with similar situations in the future.

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[quote=jwp]

Sam wouldnt that be a spoiler??? if it was to happen???

[/quote] would it be? only if...

Still 1 month left, many things could happen - see Arslan. And sorry, but if I would go to see the final I would like to know how's fighting who and how many fights will be there before I would pay 300/200/or whatever the amount is for 1 ticket, I believe they announce the fighters in AUS too before they sell the tickets, right?

As it stands on all the ads in SG you can only see "pay 300/200/... bucks to see the finale"

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But if you knew who's fighting who, you'd also know who didn't make it to the finals and that would be kind of a spoiler...

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Nah its hasnt been aired here at all yet so no ones knows nothing about the show except the people downloading it.

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Nah its hasnt been aired here at all yet so no ones knows nothing about the show except the people downloading it.

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Well, that's all good then :-)

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it looks like the draw between yod n naru is pretty unfair n dodgy. there r 8 left, n there r 9 drawers, jwp is exempted so the drawer is left open for him, but there is still 8 drawers left unopen, if i'm not mistaken. secondly both yod n naru were  the last ones left that dont even have the chance to choose, everybody knows they'll be fighting each other even though they don't need pull the drawer, duh. the point is, no matter how, there will still be 2 drawers remaining for naruepol, what if he chose the empty one, does that mean they have to start all over again, i dont think so, he still need to open the other one i think. what if nobody gets the amulet except the last one who might get both amulets from the remaining drawers, heehee prove not be a workable draw, right, or i might be wrong, maybe i'm not that good in numbers, or is it a conspiracy theory to kick 1 of them out. pls do enlighten me.

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haha...i have just finished replaying the choosing drawer section from what i downloaded...

it seems like dkonhin got something interesting here...

for me, i have no idea if its real or fake or watsoever but i believe this is not fake.

What is so interesting is that 9 boxes... 8 fighters

7 fighters were present during the selection of drawers, and one left open.. that makes it 8 free-choice boxes with 7 fighters.

whoever is the last fighter, it means he will be choosing 2 boxes yea? and that higher the chance of getting the "Buddha"

well... maybe it will be another story if the last person didn't select the "amulets", but this story will never going to happen because its over..selected.

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 man, that is bugging me too. my math ain't that good, but the numbers just DON'T add up!

let's see how they do it next ep. cos there'll be one less fighter.

(maybe one of the drawers was sealed? HAHA! so no matter what you can't open the 9th drawer? just guessing here).

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They tell us before we pick that one of the draws or a few of the draws are empty ones so dont pick them.

I wasnt in that show but no body told us what order to stand in line to pick the draws, if Yod and Nurapol stood last in line then its just bad luck how it worked out.

 

Conspiracy solved. You can sleep at night now guys.

 

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Or they could have started the line from the other end---but they didn't do that--why?

 

Conspiracy back on!!!

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lol I love conspiracies!

So basically they told Naruepol "don't pick the empty one" :-)

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  i think they should've drawn names out of a bag to choose the order.

 

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so true. in plain statistical terms, naruepol and yod were at a disadvantage when they were chosen to go pretty much last. i don't think there was a conspiracy or anything on that draw, though. i think it was just a sloppy process that the producers might not have taken into account prior to filming the draw, thinking it might be the same as drawing from a fishbowl at the same time or something. they probably just wanted to incorporate something asian, such as that chinese drawer, into the show.

besides, i think the producers wouldn't have wanted both guys to fight each other so soon; it would be anticlimactic considering that a lot of people (including those in the loft) think that they're probably among the top two fighters on the show. i mean, skill- and reputation-wise, obviously they're both grand finale material.

 

 

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Ohh come on, Burnett doesn't want two Thais fihgting each other in the final. I have met him and have a glimpse of his mind set. He gets more people watching by having people from other countries facing the dreaded Thais and the "how did he luck out" Zidov still in the show past the half way mark. He gets better ratings.

 

As far as Asia--let's narrow this down to the Orient. Asia is Russia, Turkey, India, and a myriad of other countries where the Q factor (for those of you who know TV talk) isn't big. This is an Oriental slanted (no pun) show. However, I would like to see if the Japanese audience is interested (as there are a myriad of Japanese fighters at that weight that are very good) and none of their fighters are in there.

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There is defintely a global market for the show based on all the web activity. But maybe this is not a mainstream but a fight audience?

Japan would defintely be a ripe market. They have star fighters and an audience (K1 etc). Reality TV wise, they are into their 3rd (??) season of a Japan version of Survivor?

on the thai on thai matchups, i'll still like to think it was pure coincidence... cos if we really want to talk ratings, you only need rafik in the loft. haha. or maybe keep bruce longer cos these are colourful guys.

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Yeah it should be called Contender Singapore. Why in the hell he decided to go to one of the most controlled and over priced parts of the Orient, I have no idea. Why not go to Hong Kong, then?

Well Burnett has had mixed success with Survivor outside of the USA., The Spain version is now just celbs. But, we might note that the winner (liar and manipulator champion) gets a million dollars, while he is not offerring anything near that for Contender Orient. Please, the whole ASIA thing irks those of us who have lived in the Orient and in Asia. It's sort of like USA people that claim they are Americans. That's a continent not a country. Asia is very diverse--they aren't doing Muay Thai in Mongolia (although yes there are some fighters doing K max, now) and how big is the audience in Siberia?

If it is Muay Thai (which from the judging--it has been a hybrid) then put it in Thailand or for even lower costs put it in Cambodia (but don't dare call it Muay Thai, because the Thais stole the art from the Khmers).

 

And , again--why aren't there any Japanese fighters?

There are a lot more politics and lmited thinking involved in this program than what the would be fan thinks.

 

 

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i hear ya. all i will say is: relax! it's JUST A TV SHOW .... 

 

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 I think the show was originally intended to be made in Thailand. They took it down to Singapore for one simple reason - money. Everytime you see a Fitness First; Courts; Ebay; Laguna Resort; Zouk etc you know they have stumped up cash. The Singapore Tourist Board also threw in a load. Money that they were apparently not going to get in Thailand.

These guys don't turn up to make a show like this with a pot full of money; all the equipment; staff and contestants ready to go. It's more a "work in progress". All of the fighters weren't even confirmed till just before it all started. From conversations with one of the production team; apparently it was madness getting things sorted right up until (and beyond) the first fight. The Official Contender website was pretty much just a front page (with only about 9 of the fighters faces on it) for the first month or 6 weeks. I've heard it said that when the production team arrived in Singapore they only had 1 camera with them - the rest were hired locally. This isn't an attack on the production of the show - it's just the way things work in the real world. Personally I think the result has been pretty impressive so far, don't know about any of you; but I'm really enjoying it.

The talk about "Why so many foreigners in Contender Asia?" is getting a bit old isn't it? I would have thought it's obvious that it's called that because it's based in Asia and it's Muay Thai - an Asian Fighting style. Foreigners are in there so that the show has wider appeal - it's a business remember. Also there have been non-americans in "The Contender" without mention. It's also pretty disrespectful to the guys who are actually on the show doing the fighting; where-ever they are from they have show nothing but the highest respect for Muay Thai and the Thai's (and Asian's) in general.

So lets not be small minded, eh? Enjoy the show for what it is.

 

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Yeah it should be called Contender Singapore. Why in the hell he decided to go to one of the most controlled and over priced parts of the Orient, I have no idea. Why not go to Hong Kong, then?

Well Burnett has had mixed success with Survivor outside of the USA., The Spain version is now just celbs. But, we might note that the winner (liar and manipulator champion) gets a million dollars, while he is not offerring anything near that for Contender Orient. Please, the whole ASIA thing irks those of us who have lived in the Orient and in Asia. It's sort of like USA people that claim they are Americans. That's a continent not a country. Asia is very diverse--they aren't doing Muay Thai in Mongolia (although yes there are some fighters doing K max, now) and how big is the audience in Siberia?

If it is Muay Thai (which from the judging--it has been a hybrid) then put it in Thailand or for even lower costs put it in Cambodia (but don't dare call it Muay Thai, because the Thais stole the art from the Khmers).

 

And , again--why aren't there any Japanese fighters?

There are a lot more politics and lmited thinking involved in this program than what the would be fan thinks.

 

 

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You must be a romantic cuz you have got absolute zero dollars and sense!

The show will go to whichever part of A-S-I-A that gives it the most returns...The singapore tourism board aka the goverment herself is pumping in money. And they will assemble a stable of  fighters from different  nationalities that gives them the biggest margin.

Japanese fighters are probably too expensive to bring to the fight cuz they all got contracts with their local organizations. Besides, they would not be able to commnicate with the other 'asians'

Other than the american fighter, the rest of the fighters in the show are based in either thailand, singapore or australian which is about 2-3 hours flight in-between.

Overall, I reckon the show tries to establish a balance between making good business and for the promotion of the sport. Without the business element, the show would not have been possible.

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well, i'm from singapore, and i'm quite proud of the production levels achieved with the contender asia (i've also never seen singapore look so good! haha)... if you browse through the creds portion of the official site, like what uppercut says, there is heavy support from the Singapore Tourist Board and MDA which is excellent for the local film scene here. i also want to add that we have a lot of talented production crews, awesome post and audio houses, backend support here locally !!! and I am sure this helped in making the decision to have the show here. (an aside: a local the Apprentice version is slated to be filmed here too I think ...)

On the mix of fighters: We can talk till the cows come home, leave for pasture and come home again, and we'd still be discussing the fact. haha!! moo

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NOthing changes the fact that this is not ASIA this is one small part of the Orient. And half of the fighters were training in Rompo before the start of the filming (I know because I was there).

I know for the US viewers (who are getting torrents, etc) Asia to them is the Orient. As far as not knowing what is going on in Asia and the Orient, etc. I doubt you have lived in as many countries as I have. As for knowing about production levels, etc once again you are talking to a professional who has been invovled in movies, TV, documentaries, and industrial work.

The simple fact is that it is not ASIA. It's Singapore which is one of the most expensive places in this part of the World. Also one of the most (if not the most) controlled and anal places in the Orient. Generally, those who go to the Orient do so to avoid this. Like I said Hong Kong could have done and even better job on the production (there are sort of known through out the industry as top notch, but most of you wouldn't know that).

As far as the line up--yeah, of course it changed. Ole got hurt and put Zidov in. The reality is that they were lookintg only in Thailand for foreigners. The didn't fly anyone in. As for their production problems--that is a lack of professionalism. Hell, Animal Planet or Discovery Channel has teams that could;ve pulled this off without the one camera problem. Also, why if it is the Orient and it is to be about Muay Thai (shot in the face to the Khmers and Burmese) are they using English? HK and Singapore audiences are the only ones who will understand.

Before you start to attack me--realize that my background is far and away more diverse in this field than those of you commenting. If you don't like the realities that I state, then you got a lot of problems with the realities. And please take out an Atlas--look at the CONTINENT called Asia then start counting how many of the countries within this HUGE continent are represented in Contender Singapore. Now let it sink in..

 

 

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We are certainly all entitled to our opinions and you certainly have yours. But you don't seem have anything good to say about the show; fighters or venue. If you don't like the show, just turn it off. Or if you're such an expert on the region, fighters and "The TV business" why don't you make your own "Orient Contender". I'm sure your good mate Mark Burnett would snap it up. As for the rest of your post...oh dear....

Whether you are travelled more widely, your "background far and away more diverse" or whatever is both open to question and immaterial to the point of this board. Its a little silly and to say that you have travelled further or your background is more diverse than anyone else on this board - how would you know??? 

As for the atlas business - Er...no, wrong. "Orient" means Eastern, referring to a hemisphere of the world; as opposed to "Occident" which refers to the Western hemisphere; thereby resulting in "Orientals" and "Occidentals". I've never heard anyone from this region refer to themselves as "Orientals"; just like anywhere else in the world, people generally refer to their nationality first. Like it or not, Singapore is in Asia, you may personally not like the place - some do and some don't. But that doesn't change the fact that Singapore is, in fact, in Asia.

Personally I think the show is great, the fighters all seem like good guys and (in contrast to the US Contender) all seem to get on and respect each other, the production does make Singapore look great. I like the fact that a couple of the fighters are on this (and other) boards occasionally, an extra insight which adds flavour. A little respect for them wouldn't go amiss would it?

 

 

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"my background is far and away more diverse in this field than those of you commenting." YET so narrow minded!

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And yet so correct, please tell me how the facts are changed by your desires.

 

Nice red herring thrown out there. It is not about Asia. It's about Singapore. That is called fraud in advertising in the West. Like saying I am USA champion (but the fights were only in Rhode Island) or Canadian Champion and the fights were all just in Prince Edward Island: it doesn't represent the whole place.

Yes this is the Orient not Asia. I know many English speakers who say "He don't like it. "That doesn't make that sentence correct. Neither does your specious attempt to say this is Asia. Thë Orient is part of Asia--Asia is more than the Orient, for your edification.

On the English speaking environment: I might add that there are some people in Malay who have high level English skills--but once again, no one is from there in the program. If you want to call it Asia--start dealing with the realities: India, Russia, Siberia, Mongolia, Turkey, Tibet, etc. And did you take out that atlas or just start commenting?

 

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Wow, there seems to be some heat in the discussion about the politics of Contender "Asia."  Because I don't know anything about it, I'm going to leave it alone and get back to the drawer business.  I don't understand why it should be so complicated.  As each fighter drops out, they should just leave more drawers open, so the ones left closed are equal to the number of fighters left.  If they can leave one open for JWP, they can leave more open.  What can I say, I'm a simple girl with a simple solution!  And I don't think there's a conspiracy.  Like Soren said, it's literally the "luck of the draw."

One question I have is that, now that every man is for himself, can a fighter fight twice in a row?  For example, since Yod has fought and won, is he in the line-up to pull another drawer for episode 10 (if he hadn't have to sit out due to his eye injury) or does he sit out?  I'm not sure on the rules of engagement.  I would assume he'd sit out, but at this point, I know not to make assumptions. 

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One question I have is that, now that every man is for himself, can a fighter fight twice in a row?  For example, since Yod has fought and won, is he in the line-up to pull another drawer for episode 10 (if he hadn't have to sit out due to his eye injury) or does he sit out?  I'm not sure on the rules of engagement.  I would assume he'd sit out, but at this point, I know not to make assumptions. 

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From my understanding, the tournament is set up in rounds. Yod has won his quarter final fight so he sits out until the other three quarter final fights go through. Then along with the other three guys who won their quarter final fights, the four of them move into the semis and fight each other. Although there are no teams, each guy only fights once in each round of the tournament. If he wins, he moves into the next round. Hope that makes sense:)

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"It is not about Asia. It's about Singapore. That is called fraud in advertising in the West. Like saying I am USA champion (but the fights were only in Rhode Island) or Canadian Champion and the fights were all just in Prince Edward Island: it doesn't represent the whole place."

Ha ha ha, so stupid . . .

its like saying the show "American Idol" should not be called 'Amercian Idol' because all the contestants are all from the United Stated and the United States is NOT representative of the America continent where there are other countries like Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Chile etc. etc.

I felt that one way of improving on the format of the show would be : For the first round, all the fighters are ranked based on their fight records, and fights arrange like 1 vs 9, 2 vs 10 . . . and 8 vs 16. (1 meaning top ranked fighter and 8 is the 8th ranked one.  The two teams can be split be odd ranked and even ranked. That means (1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15) is Tiger King and (2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16) is Wild Boar. This would have elminiate the pity that some of the stronger fighters like David, Rafik and The Preacher were eliminated too early in the show. . . Of course, there will still be the challenge and reward, but not the right to chose your opponents.

For round 2, everyone fights for himself, but there will be a challenge, where there is only one winner - who gets rewarded with prizes and the right to choose his opponent. So we are unlikely to have Thai vs Thai or the strongest fighter chooses to fight the second strongest, killing the exicitement of leaving the best fight for the finals. Same method for semi-finals. . .

 

Anyway, just an idea - comments anyone? Let's hope that this forum and discussion can improve the quality and interestingness of future seasons ! I like the show so far, pretty good standard given the limited budget.

 

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"...its like saying the show "American Idol" should not be called 'Amercian Idol' because all the contestants are all from the United Stated and the United States is NOT representative of the America continent where there are other countries like Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Chile etc. etc."  

 

 

That is exactly correct. Just because a large number of people make a mistake doesn't make it correct (that if you ever made through a logic course is called BAND WAGON). USA is not America and USA people who call themselves Americans are naming a continent.  Again the validity of what I said is not changed by your sophmoric attempts to detract.

Get an Atlas out, if you're capable of reading one.

Let me know how many countries are in Contender Singapore. Now compare that to how many countries are in Asia.

And the result is  fraud in the West. LIke to try using your band wagon defense in court?

 

Too bad I try to hold everyone to a higher standard than the low one you and others are eschewing, huh? It's too much to ask for being honest and correct, huh?

 

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It is called Contender Asia, probably because it's a Muay Thai contest and Muay Thai is an Asian martial art.. It got nothing to do with where the contestants are from or where it is held. If u r really in the showbiz, u would have understood this.

Sok, u r arguing for arguing sake and behaving just like Rafik the asshole, what don't u shut the **** up.

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Why don't you come to Cambodia and shut me up, you non logical cretin.

We will see what's up keyboard wannabe--tell me what flight your on. ok?

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BTW, Cambodia is in Asia (the Orient) and we don't do Muay Thai here. Just another nail in your specious argument's coffin about Muay Thai. And they don't do Muay Thai in Mynamar, either (you do know that is in Asia, right?).

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wherever it's held it cannot beat the enthusiasm from the local supporters in Thailand because the crowd hardly 'oi' around here... but maybe because no betting involved?

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